Grace Under Fire.....Marriage, Fornication, Divorce and Remarriage....

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Permalink Reply by Debbie Hasty on October 30, 2009 at 8:53am

First I would like to address the Herod part. Mark 6:14-29 Herod married Herodias even though her husband was still alive then because her daughter pleased Herod he gave her anything she wanted and it was Herodias that had John the Baptist head brought on a platter through her daughters actions. The act of bigamy was the sin through lies and deceit and trying to silence Gods servant for pointing this out caused many to sin against God and the wrath of God was poured out upon them.

Now for marriage and divorce. Gods will for woman was to be a helpmate to the man in every way, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, socially and physically. She was also created to bare the generations to come. A woman was not greater nor less than the man, but was his equal.

There is no place in the Bible that constitutes having to have a marriage license. Man incorporated this into the law. In the Hebrew tradition a mohar or dowry was paid to the father of the bride by the groom in exchange for the daughter, Exodus 22:17.

Genesis 2:23-25 explains the bond of marriage. The two are united as one in the eyes of God. Ephesians 5:22-29 wives are to submit to their husbands as unto the Lord for the husband is the spiritual head of the wife. Man is the provider and protector of his family. Husbands, you are to love your wives like Christ loves his church. This is an unconditional love that looks on the inside of a person and not the adorning of the outside. It is a love with a pure heart.

This submission also carries over to the bed that neither should deprive one another unless it is a mutual consent, 1 Corinthians 7:5 the principles for the married believer are explained in 1 Corinthians 7:10-16. As long as there is love and faithfulness the two should never depart from each other nor stray away for lust of the flesh.

Does God permit divorce; no he does not for what God has joined together as one flesh let no man separate it, Matthew 19:6. God joined man and woman together before sin entered into the hearts of man and woman, Genesis 2:18. When woman was deceived by the serpent in Genesis 3:1-13 and gave the man to eat of the fruit, man forgot what God told them not to do and they both tried to hide from God, but God knew what they had done and now was sin entered into the hearts of man and woman.

Even with the laws God gave to Moses for the people, mans sin hardened hearts now turned to fornication, lust of self and covertness of others property including another mans wife. New laws were added continuously for the transgressions of man and this is how we got the law for divorce which was handed down by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4.

1 Corinthians 7:10, Jesus commands the woman not to leave her husband and if she does she should remain unmarried, but in Malachi 2:10-16 the treachery that man commits against a woman which leads him to have an affair outside of the marriage or abuses the wife whether it be physical or emotional gives place to what was said by Moses in Deuteronomy 24:1-4 that if a woman is no longer pleasing to her husband then the husband should give his wife a written bill of divorcement and send her out of the house and this gives the woman the right to marry again, but she can never go back to her former husband if that marriage does not work out or her husband dies for now she is defiled to be with her first husband and this is an abomination to God.

For a good marriage to work one should study 2 Corinthians 6:14 be ye not unequally yoked together with non-believers for what fellowship hath righteous with unrighteous, and what communion has light with darkness. If you are a believer in Jesus Christ then you need to choose a mate that also believes in the faith of Christ. In some marriages people do not enter into a relationship with Christ being the center of it, but maybe one of them come to know the Lord and the other one refuses to have that personal relationship with Christ then we go back to what 1 Corinthians 7:12-16 says. If the unbelieving partner leaves the believing partner then this frees the believing partner from the bondage of the vows of marriage and they are free to marry again.

Before ever getting married take time to really know each other and establish a friendship that consist of trust and belief in each other. Allow Christ to be the center of your friendship and this will allow you to begin a marriage that is totally Christ centered. Always resolve your problems with the Holy Ghost guidance through the word and you will always have a good marriage. Always be opened and honest with each other for this builds trust in the relationship, but if that trust is broken there is no relationship. Love each other unconditionally as Christ loves us and forgives us our faults. As long as we live in this flesh we will sin at times, but when you acknowledge those sins and ask for forgiveness God will always forgive us. Always be ready to forgive each other seventy times seven, Matthew 22:21,22, and not only forgive, but forget the sin as God remembers our sins no more when we repent of them. The outside appearance will always change and beauty may fade, but it is the heart of the person we are to love and the heart will never change as long as the love of Christ dwells within it.

Permalink Reply by AINA SIMON PETER OLAITAN on August 5, 2010 at 1:57am

i am greatly blessed by your message here and i am using this time to appreciate the wisdom and understanding of the word of God in your life...May the Lord continue making His word alive to your soul always...You are blessed.

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on October 30, 2009 at 11:13am

Debbie
My ears are always open to hear what you gave to say my dear sister....i appreciate your elaboration on the subject matter.
Carol =0)

Permalink Reply by Ruthann Condon on November 6, 2009 at 11:02am

People do not realize when you are involved in any type of fornication this is witchcraft. The one so called way of celebration of holidays in witchcraft is thru sexual acts so sexual sin is a praise in the satanic world; not to mention the ammo you give satan to come against you. Any time you give satan a door in your life its like placing yourself on a silver platter and handing it to him.

Many people in my family has gone thru the marriage cycle unfortunately turns into recycled marriages or marriages that are not in obedience to God with lack of patience the person(s) decided to "settle". Being a strong person of faith I am the only one who has stood on promises and wait.. I get alot of criticism because most people in my family thinks being 40 I should have already been married others think I should not marry and enjoy sex. Either way is poison and this is what this world and/or christians does not understand.

Exodus 15:26
26 He said, "If you listen carefully to the voice of the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you."

Isaiah 58:10-11
10 and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry and satisfy the needs of the oppressed, then your light will rise in the darkness, and your night will become like the noonday.
11 The LORD will guide you always; he will satisfy your needs in a sun-scorched land and will strengthen your frame.
You will be like a well-watered garden, like a spring whose waters never fail.

Ruth 2:12-13
12 May the LORD repay you for what you have done. May you be richly rewarded by the LORD, the God of Israel, under whose wings you have come to take refuge."
13 "May I continue to find favor in your eyes, my lord," she said. "You have given me comfort and have spoken kindly to your servant—though I do not have the standing of one of your servant girls."

Matthew 19:8
8Jesus replied, "Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning.

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on November 7, 2009 at 5:49pm

Ruthann
I knew that when Denise started this topic....it would not be popular because of the high divorce rate in this country of which i am also a statistic...but you summed it up with your very last scripture...it is because of the hardness of mens hearts that God has allowed it to be so...and as Ringo said...some of us are no more mature than the children that we are raising and we wonder why they are so out-of-order....its because the parents are out-of-oder and the court system is out-of-order for allowing divorce in trivial cases...i am truly inspired by your decision to walk in obedience to Gods word and to wait....i just want to say, "great is your faith" my sister with no pun intended.

Triumphant In Jesus
Your Sister and Friend In Christ
Carol~A Song of Praise~

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on January 30, 2010 at 6:41pm

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HELLO RAY MY BROTHER
I BEG TO DIFFER WITH YOU ON THIS ONE...THESE ARE A FEW DEFINITIONS THAT I HAVE FOUND CONCERNING ADULTERY AND FORNICATION....

Fornication- is voluntary sexual intercourse between a man and woman who are not married to each other. Adultery is one type of fornication.

Fornication -A Better Sex Definition: Fornication is sexual intercourse between two individuals not married to each other. Fornication is a term used primarily in a legal context or in a religious connotation as a sinful or forbidden act.

Adultery-Voluntary sexual intercourse between a married person and a partner other than the lawful spouse.

If a married person has sex with someone other than their legal spouse irregardless if the other person be single or married ...it is fornication and the same thing applies to single people...

Its called adultery because they are married to one person while comitting the act of fornication with someone else...they are both fornication but these are two different types of fornication...

Now if someone else comes along and marries another mans wife while he is still alive even through no fault of her own it is still adultery.....so wether if the husband is still married to her or she is forced to marry someone else it is still adultery and fornication as long as her husband lives....this can definitely become one vicious cycle..."oh, what tangled webs we weave when at first we practice to deceive."

MATTHEW 5:32
BUT I SAY UNTO YOU, THAT WHOSEOEVER SHALL PUT AWAY HIS WIFE, SAVING FOR THE CAUSE OF FORNICATION, CAUSETH HER TO COMMIT ADULTERY: AND WHOSOEVER SHALL MARRY HER THAT IS DIVORCED COMMITETH ADULTERY.

LUKE 16:18
WHOSEVER PUTTETH AWAY HIS WIFE, AND MARRIETH ANOTHER COMMITETH ADULTERY: AND WHOSOEVER MARRIETH HER THAT IS PUT AWAY FROM HER HUSBAND COMMITTETH ADULTERY.

ALWAYS TRIUMPHANT IN JESUS
YOUR SISTER AND FRIEND IN CHRIST
CAROL~A SONG OF PRAISE~

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on January 31, 2010 at 1:11am

WE HAD A DISCUSSION ON MYSPACE TODAY CONCERNING SODOMY AND THEN IT GRAVITATED TO HOMOSEXUALITY...I AM REALLY SURPRISED AT HOW PEOPLE ARE SO WILLING TO ACCEPT IT....NOT ONLY THAT....THEY SUGGESTED IT TO ME WHILE I WAS CONTENDING FOR THE FAITH UNTIL I SAID WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO AMERICA IF SHE DOSEN'T TURN FROM HER WAYS....I TOLD THEM THAT THEY FEEL SORRY FOR HAITI...BUT GOD IS SAVING THE BEST FOR LAST...WHEN ALL THE PEOPLE HAD WELL DRUNK AT THE WEDDING....JESUS PERFORMED A MIRACLE BY TURNING THE WATER INTO WINE THEN THE PEOPLE SAID THAT THEY HAD SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST.

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on January 30, 2010 at 12:56pm

DEBBIE
WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS SO TRUE...THE KEY HERE IS WHAT "GOD HAS JOINED TOGETHER"...TO MANY TIMES PEOPLE PUT THE CART BEFORE THE HORSE....SEX BEFORE MARRIAGE AND AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE....IF THAT IS HOW IT STARTS...MORE THAN LIKELY THAT IS HOW IT WILL END...SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE KING SOLOMON ...I HAVE SEEN AN EVIL UNDER THE SUN....WHERE A MAN AND A WOMAN GOES THROUGH ALL THE RIGHT PROCEDURES BEFORE MARRIAGE IN CHRIST AND DIVORCE....THEN I HAVE SEEN WERE A MAN AND A WOMAN MARRIED OUTSIDE OF CHRIST ....THEN COME TO CHRIST AND REMAIN MARRIED FOR LIFETIME....IF I COULD FIGURE LIFE OUT...I WOULD BE RICH...AT ANY RATE...WE WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT WE KNOW....IF YOU STAND BEFORE A PASTOR AND SAY VOWS TO YOUR SPOUSE AND PROMISE TO ADHERE TO THEM AND DON'T THEN YOU ARE GUILTY....PLAIN AND SIMPLE.

ALWAYS TRIUMPHANT IN JESUS
YOUR SISTER AND FRIEND IN CHRIST
CAROL~A SONG OF PRAISE~ =0)

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on January 30, 2010 at 1:45pm

HELENA
AMEN...I AM GETTING OLD AND THIS SESSION ON ADULTERY AND FORNICATION JUST WORE ME OUT....I AM RUNNING AN HOUR BEHIND ON TIME ON SOMETHING ELSE THAT I PLANNED TO DO...BUT EVIDENTLY IT IS WHAT GOD WANTED...I AM ALL OVER THE PLACE SHARING CHRIST INCLUDING MY SPACE AND YOUTUBE...LOL

Permalink Reply by Gerry on August 3, 2010 at 12:48am

I don't know about abusing our liberties, but it is just plain sin and we don't want to admit it. I was so far away from the Lord when I left my husband..I didn't leave him for another man, but another came in the picture..no sexual relationship..emotional. Well, now he has become silent to me, and broken my heart as my marriage was broken..I feel God calling me to talk to my husband, in fact he called tonight..we have been apart for over a year now, divorced 3 months. The relationship between us was awful..now hw says he is repentant and still loves me and wants me back. I prayed for years for God to change his heart, to change me, to save our marriage, but couldn't take the stress and lonliness any more..got caught up in the lies..I'm afraid to go back to my ex husband..I never want to live the way I was living, but I can't be at peace going against the word like I was trying to. You can go along in sin happy as a lark..for awhile..but when it catches up to you it isn't pretty. Just praying for God's will in all this, main thing is for souls to be saved and God be glorified. A lot of damage has been done..we don't see how bad until too late sometimes, now so important to stay close to the Lord. I hope I learned my lesson..so much evil and deception..the devil is working overtime because he knows his time is short...so hard I had to learn this lesson again..God is not mocked..whatever a man sows that he shall also reap..of the flesh corruption, of the spirit everlasting life..please pray for healing for all concerned, and direction. God bless you all.

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on August 3, 2010 at 10:58am

GERRY
I AM SO SORRY FOR YOUR PAIN MY SISTER...I THINK THAT YOU MAY BE BEING A LITTLE TO HARD ON YOURSELF...GOD KNEW THAT SOME THINGS WOULD HAPPEN BY VIRTUE OF OUR ADAMIC NATURE AND AS A RESULT SIN OCASSIONALY SLAYS ALL OF US...IF WE SAY THAT WE HAVE NO SIN[SINGULAR], WE MAKE HIM A LIAR AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN US...GOD KNOWS HOW MUCH WE CAN BEAR MY SISTER AND THIS IS WHY HE SENT HIS SON ...HE HAS GIVEN US HIS PRECIOUS HOLY SPIRIT TO LEAD AND TO GUIDE US INTO ALL TRUTHS... EVEN WITH TRUTH, WE CAN MISS THE MARK...NOONE COULD DO IT BUT JESUS... HE KNEW THAT WE WOULD STILL MAKE MISTAKES AND THIS IS WHY HE CAME TO CONDEMN SIN IN THE FLESH ...MY DIVORCE HURT ME ALSO...I WAS BY NO MEANS HAPPY FOR THE BREAK UP AFTER 26 YEARS OF MARRIAGE ...I REALIZED THAT GOD WAS NOT ONLY CONCERNED FOR MY EX BUT HE WAS CONCERNED FOR ME AND MY CHILDREN AS WELL...I STILL LOVE HIM WITH A JESUS LOVE BUT SOME THINGS ARE NECESSARY IF WE ARE TO HEAL AT ALL...YOU TAKE WAAAAAAAAY TO MUCH UPON YOURSELF MY SISTER...DRAW CLOSER TO GOD SO THAT HE MAY DRAW CLOSER TO YOU AND THAT YOU MAY RELIEVED OF THE BURDEN OF GUILTTHAT YOU FEEL...I LOVE YOU MY SISTER AND GOD BLESS YOU!

PSALM 46:1
GOD IS OUR REFUGE AND STRENGTH, A VERY PRESENT HELP IN TROUBLE.

CAROL

Permalink Reply by PROPHETESS CAROL on August 5, 2010 at 6:19am

MAURITZ

NO ONE WINS IN THIS TYPE OF SITUATION ESPECIALLY WHEN THERE ARE CHILDREN INVOLVED...I WAS WATCHING BENNY HINN ON TBN THIS MORNING AND HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE VERY PAINFUL BREAKUP OF HIM AND HIS WIFE...HE BROUGHT HIS CHILDREN ON STAGE AND SHARED HIS TESTIMONY...HE SAID THAT HE LOST HIS FAMILY BECAUSE OF SO CALLED MINISTRY BUT THERE WAS NO INFIDELITY INVOLVED...DIVORCE IS ALWAYS PAINFUL WHETHER OR NOT A SPOUSE WAS FAITHFUL OR UNFAITHFUL...HE SAID THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE SAY GOD FIRST AND THEN FAMILY...IN THE END, HE HAD TO ADMIT THAT THEY WERE WRONG AND SO WAS HE..."CHARITY STARTS AT HOME AND THEN SPREADS ABROAD"..."FOLLOW ME AS I FOLLOW CHRIST."