The true Name of Jesus?

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Permalink Reply by Tammy_LIBAW on September 14, 2011 at 9:49pm

As far as losing any power, I don't believe that if it's not translated properly from the Greek & Hebrew that it changes any power whatsoever. If someone from another country doesn't pronounce my name correctly, I'm still Tammy regardless. It doesn't change anything about me. I do think it's an interesting discussion though. You've got me digging. I'll post some of my findings tomorrow when my eyes are a little wider.

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 14, 2011 at 10:42pm

Thank you, I am looking forward to reading it :-)

 

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 14, 2011 at 11:31pm

I will add what I found out so far

 

Latin
Iesus = Jesus

 

Greek

Ἰησοῦς Χριστός = Iēsous Christos

 

Aramäic/Hebrew
ישוע = Jeshua or Jeshu,

or better, since the letter "J" was unknown to Hebrews and Greek, it was originally written

Yahshua = Yehoshua =YHW's /YAWEH's /Yah's / Yehovah's (Jehovah's) Salvation

In this article below one will read lots of quotes of well-trained people who say that the name Yashua/Yehoshua was changed into the Greek/Roman expression Iesus on purpose, to please the Roman-Greek new converts.
And now the shocking meaning: iesus translated would mean "Hail Zeus" !!!

http://www.hiddenbible.com/jesuszeus/jesuszeus.html

 

So it is no more a matter of pronounciation in different languages, but about a complete different translation and meaning.

 

 

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Permalink Reply by Tammy_LIBAW on September 15, 2011 at 6:56pm

I have some Bible software called LOGOs that I love but it somehow has been removed from my computer. When my husband comes home this weekend I'm going to get him to reinstall it & when I look it up on that program I'm sure it will have other things to say as well. But, I was speaking with a friend earlier on the topic & she shared this with me.

 

God's Name 

What do you believe about the sacred names (the Father YAHWEH or YHOVAH, and the blessed Son of God YAHUSHUA)? After all, He told us to honor His name, and gave it to us as a memorial for all time. 

I don't disagree that the name of the Creator is important. But He Himself puts His Word above His name (Psalm 138:2). He does this because the Messiah is the Scripture incarnated, who is more important (John 1). 
Also, remember that He has many names and not only YAHWEH. Besides, how do we know that it is written or pronounced that way? The Hebrews proclaim that they never wrote it because it was so holy. So how would we know? 

The names YAHWEH and YAHUSHUA are not to be found in the New Testament. Even the apostles, when they translated or wrote in Greek, didn't write YAHWEH (or YHOVAH), but Lord or God. When writing about the “Son of God,” the apostles wrote Iesous, which translated into English is Jesus. They referred to Him as Lord or God (Greek Kurios). Look at the translation of Psalm 110:1 in Matthew 22:44. There, the Hebrew word YHOVAH is translated into the Greek word Kurios, and the Hebrew word Adonadon (referring to the Messiah, or Christ) is translated into the Greek word Kurios. Shouldn't that settle the question? 

If the inspired holy apostles translated the Creator's names to God, Lord, and Jesus, why do we quarrel about it? I believe that some people quarrel about it because they have an unquenched hole inside of them. They seek to fill it with all kinds of things that are good in themselves. But Jesus Christ, the only One who can fill that hole, is missing. Let us preach Jesus Christ and Him crucified that we may all become one as He and the Father are One (John 17:21). 

I don't believe that the name of God is as important as knowing the Being behind the name. It is important to a certain point for His name cannot be Krishna or Allah, but knowing Him is far more important. Besides, the name of a person is like a link or a path to the personality and 

character of that person. In many instances the name describes the person, as it did in the Bible times, but today it is more like a link or path. Jesus Christ Himself warned us about people who would declare that they are Him. The only way we can know the truth is by studying their character, not by the name they use. 

But if you really want to write and pronounce the Lord's name, as it is in Hebrew, then you can go ahead and learn how. But let me warn you that if we don't know Him personally, it doesn't matter if we know His name or not. 

Please, don't let your mind wander on things that don't have an eternal significance for never did He say that we are saved or lost if we know or know not His holy name. But rather He said that He will deliver us if we call on His name. It is not only YAHWEH and it wasn't translated so in Greek. The most important thing that we should ponder is knowing God personally for this is eternal life (John 17:3). Do you know God personally? Do you know His Son intimately?

- Amazing Discoveries

 

Remember that Paul wrote all of his epistles in Koine Greek - the language of the common people of that day.  In EVERY case the name used is "Iesous Christos"  - Jesus Christ.  I think Paul and the other New Testament writers would have gotten His name right don't you?

 

Does God honour people that call on His name but deny His character?  No.  So neither does He arbitrarily honour those who pronounce His name in a certain way.  

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 17, 2011 at 12:38am

Thank you, Tammy

Again, it is not about the pronounciation due to different nationalities. I know how my name Astrid is pronounced correctly, and English speaking people do probably speak it out differently.
But giving me a complete new name in English would be the same as what obviously happened to the name of Yahushua.

Yes, I agree, the most important is that we know HIM, what He did for us, and still does, and His authority and task in heaven. And I think, that because God only looks at our heart and true intentions He does not put too much importancy on the name we use for His son, because otherwise so many miracles of healings and other things would not have been possible.

But, on the other hand, since we are only given ONE name soley, which is holy,  it must remain ONE HOLY name, and only because of former Greek translators using different languages does not justify the changing of this name.
Acts 4:12
“And there is no deliverance in anyone else, for there is no other Name under the heaven given among men by which we need to be saved.”

Maybe people think that this topic is a waste of time, or maybe this whole discussion here comes from the enemy to confuse Christians, because, honestly, since I heard about it, and read more on the doubting of the true translation it does give me doubts, too, which name I should use..which is confusing.
We have to prove everything, and I personally can prove something better by discussing it, listening to other Christians who have maybe heard about it before, and their thoughts and conclusions, in order to find peace again. Because anything without peace cannot be from God.

And since this whole discussion does not origin from me, and others have spent much more time in it I will copy here something interesting, and maybe you can also look it up in your LOGOS program, to proove it.

 

Transliteration study on the Name of the Messiah    yod-hay-uau-shin-ayin

While studying the true Name, remember:  Yahusha (or Yahushua) isn't a Christian, and His Name isn't based on Greek, but Hebrew.  "HESUS" is a Hebrew term, meaning "the horse" spelled hay-samek-uau-samek.  The KJV was the first to show the world the spelling "JESUS".  216 times, we find it spelled in the TaNaK: yod-hay-uau-shin-ayin

YAHU + SHA is the English transliteration of the above 5 Hebrew letters.

Charles Darwin didn't even know cells existed in his time, and the apostles didn't know the word "JESUS" existed in theirs.  The word "JESUS" had not been "discovered" until around 1530 CE (cells are real, but the word "JESUS" was not discovered, but rather invented).

 

 

The elephant in the room that everyone is ignoring is this:

The graphing of the mutations (above) only shows how the distortions occurred, it is not a means of justifying the mutations.

So-called scholars are looking at the “in-between” phases and alterations that occurred over time, instead of simply taking the original letters from the Hebrew directly into the modern English alphabet.

To put stock in what someone did as a foreigner to the Hebrew long ago is the fatal flaw, and then they build graphs to illustrate their morphing monstrosity as if the sheer quantity of data will convince everyone that the facts are all assembled.  The truth is, the lettering of Yahusha's Name has been put through the meat-grinders of foreign languages, and passed from one distortion to further distortion.

The Aramaic form, (yod-shin-uau-ayin), “Y’shua”, is a construction found ONCE as a name in Scripture at NehemYah 8 (the only incident in all of Scripture for this spelling), and is a shortened form of "Yahusha".  Another 27 uses of this word (yod-shin-uau-ayin) are not a proper name, but simply the term for "deliverance".

The graphing of the mutations only shows how the distortions occurred, it is not a means of justifying the mutations.

 

WOULD THE CREATOR'S RELIGION HAVE A GREEK NAME?

The "English" name, Jesus

   The Norman invasion of 1066 introduced the letter "j" to England but the sound of the letter did not exist in the Old English language until the early 1200's.  Over the next 300 years the hard "J" sound started to replace male names that began with I or Y because it sounded so masculine.  Names like Iames became "James," Iakob became Jacob, and Yohan became "John."  During the time the letter J was starting to gain acceptance, John Wycliffe became the first person to translate the New Testament from Latin into English in 1384.  He preserved the Latin spelling and pronunciation of IESUS but his translation was unread by the common man because only a few hand-written copies of his Bible were produced which were quickly banned by the Church.  The KJV was legally the only "authorized" version allowed in England, and was produced to stamp out the Geneva translation (The Geneva "Bible" contained many footnotes, reference helps, and conveyed a high level of general information for people to learn).

When Gutenburg invented the printing press the Latin Vulgate "Bible" became the first book ever printed in 1455. The first printed bible in a foreign tongue was the German Mentel Bible of 1466 followed by the Martin Luther bible of 1522.

After William Tyndale was denied permission to print an English bible he went to visit Martin Luther and completed his translation of the New Testament in 1525.  Tyndale had 18,000 copies printed at Worms and smuggled into England of which only two copies survive.  After printing his revised edition of 1534 he was captured in Belgium, tried for heresy by order of the pope, and put to death in 1536 by strangulation after which his body was burned at the stake.

By the year 1611 the letter "J" was officially part of the English language and the King James Bible was printed along with pronunciation guides for all proper names like Jesus, Jew, Jeremiah, Jerusalem, Judah, and John.  

The name "Jesus" has been in use ever since.

   At Acts 4:12, we learn that there is only ONE NAME under heaven, given among men by which we may be saved, yet we see that the true Name has been under constant change over the centuries.  Originally, it was spelled yod-hay-uau-shin-ayin.  

The true Name of the Mashiach can be proven by deduction;  and you should know that we cannot trust the Greek to explain the Hebrew.  But, when we see that the Greek text uses the same letters  (IESOUS) when referring to the men that translators spell as "Joshua" and "Jesus", then we know these letters refer to not just a similar name, but the same name;  the Greek alphabet simply corrupted the Name for us.   

We can fix that easily.   The Mashiach of Israel certainly never had a Greek name, so let's hunt-down His real, Hebrew Name!

   At Hebrews 4 and Acts 7 (Hebrews written by Sha'ul, and Acts by Luke), we discover from the Greek that the Savior's Name is spelled IESOUS.   I'm not saying these two men wrote the text in Greek, but the Greek is what we have received.  The name "JESUS" isn't even in the original Scriptures  -  and you can check out the way it looked back in 1599 by clicking on this:  1599 Geneva Translation.  

    Hebrews 4 and Acts 7 refer to "Joshua" (Yahusha more accurately), using the same Greek letters, IESOUS.   Now think very hard;  could the successor of Mosheh and the Mashiach of Israel possibly have the same NAME in the original Hebrew?   Scholars don't doubt it for a second that they did indeed.  To learn the real name of your Savior, go look at the Hebrew letters for the spelling of "Joshua":  yod-hay-uau-shin-ayin    (It isn't rocket surgery you know). Both had the Hebrew name:  YAHUSHA (spelled twice in the TaNaK as YAHUSHUA).  The Greek alphabet cannot transliterate this word, and "Latinizing" the Greek form only makes it freakier.  The Name of our Savior contains the Name of our Creator, because He is our Creator, and His Name is His identification (His identity is wrapped-up in His Name. 

YAH  = "I am"  . . .   so, Yahusha (or Yahushua) literally means "I am your salvation" as well as "Yah is our salvation".  He is the everlasting Father,  and El Shaddai (Is. 6:9, Rev. 1).

    The Savior is in fact the Being that revealed His Name as Yahuah  --  there's no argument there in the least (He is the "Alef and the Tau").  We use the spelling Yahusha or Yahushua because it states the Name and function or role the messenger Gabri'el provided.   We find that Scripture records the practice of giving names, and commonly the chosen name will provide a description or attribute of the individual.    Because Gabriel included the phrase, "for he shall save his people from their sins", it is obvious that there was a distinctive meaning in the Name carrying the idea of salvation, from the root yasha.  Also, the Name chosen aligns with the meaning of the name of the man that brought Israel into the promised land (called Joshua by tradition).

The Greek texts at Hebrews 4 and Acts 7 both indicate the spelling to be identical for both the Mashiach and the successor of Mosheh:  IESOUS (in the Greek letters).  

Therefore, all we have to do is go to the Hebrew texts, find the spelling of the name of the man that succeeded Mosheh, and we have found the Savior's Name perfectly preserved  ~  and based on the texts of Shemoth (Exodus).  Logical deduction brings this out.   The Name "Yahushua" describes the FUNCTION or ROLE that our Creator has become. 

To ignore this function/role, we have to overlook the phrase included by Gabriel when the Name was given:

 

 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of (Yahuah) appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Yoseph, you son of David, fear not to take unto you Miryam your wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the (Ruach haQodesh).   And she shall bring forth a son, and you shall call His Name (Yahushua):  for he shall save  (DELIVER) his people from their sins.   Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of (Yahuah) by the prophet, saying,

'Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel', which being interpreted is, (Eloah) with us.

Then Yoseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of (Yahuah) had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:  And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name (Yahusha)."    Matt 1:20-25

 

THE REAL NAME OF THE MESSIAH

ONE OF THESE TWO IS OF RECENT ORIGIN, AND THEREFORE A FRAUD:

JESUS?     OR    YAHUSHA?

“YAHUSHA” means “Yah is our deliverer” in Hebrew.  “JESUS” seems to convey “hail Zeus” in Greek, and “the horse” in Hebrew (he-soos).

   Both cannot be true.  Since there was no letter “J” on planet Earth until around 1530 CE, one of these two is already exposed.  To say “we speak English” isn’t a defense of anything, since the “only Name” given in which there is salvation is a Hebrew Name, not an English one (Acts 4:12).  The letters used to convey the correct sound of the Name to call upon are in English.  Neither of the two originated in English.  Yahuah does not change, so the Name of our Messiah would not undergo alterations over time, unless another being tampered with it  -  such as an enemy!  We know we must overcome the deceptions, and a very serious “stronghold” is the false name, which the anti-Messiah will use.

 

   Scholars know how to determine the real Name of the Messiah of Israel, but they hesitate because “tradition” would be directly challenged.  The evidence reveals that the person known as “Joshua” in the Scriptures has exactly the same Hebrew name as the Messiah, because both the Messiah and the successor of Mosheh are identical in Greek, IESOUS.  The Name of the Messiah is not Greek, but Hebrew.  The Name has a meaning in Hebrew;  yet “JESUS” (or JEZUS if in Jugoslavia) is promoted by the Society of Jesus (Jesuits) to be valid based solely upon Greek, not Hebrew.  This study should set the record straight, because we are going to look at the Hebrew to allow the true Name to become known.

 

YAHUSHA & YAHUSHUA ARE BOTH CORRECT TRANSLITERATIONS

 

THE MESSIAH'S NAME IS FOUND 218 TIMES IN THE TANAK.

In 216 of these, the spelling is:  yod-hay-uau-shin-ayin:  YAHUSHA.

The son of Nun (a leader of the tribe Ephraim) that we find in the concordance started out with a four-lettered name, then Mosheh changed it by adding one letter to the beginning of his name:

 

#1954:  HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, rendered in the KJV as “HOSHEA” (Dt. 32:44), and “OSHEA” (Num 13:16).

#3091:  YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, this spelling is found 216 times, rendered in the KJV as “JOSHUA”. 

In another two instances in all of Scripture it is spelled

YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN, or “YAHUSHUA”.

The two uses of this 6-lettered spelling are found in the Hebrew at Deut. 3:21 and Judg. 2:7. 

As of our current research on this topic reveals, these are spellings found in the TaNaK:

216 times found:  Yahusha    YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN

2 times found:  Yahushua     YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN

1 time found:  Y’shua  (Neh. 8:17)  YOD-SHIN-UAU-AYIN

An interesting verse pertaining to the “name change” of this son of Nun is at Num 13:16  (KJV concordance numbers are used here):

 

“These⁴²⁸ are the names⁸⁰³⁴ of the men³⁷⁶ which⁸³⁴ Moses⁴⁸⁷² sent⁷⁹⁷¹ to spy out^{8446 (853)} the land.⁷⁷⁶ And Moses⁴⁸⁷² called⁷¹²¹ Oshea¹⁹⁵⁴ the son¹¹²¹ of Nun⁵¹²⁶ Joshua.³⁰⁹¹”

 

   In the above verse you can see the concordance numbers embedded in the KJV English.  The Hebrew root “yaSHA” means to deliver, and is the root of the name of the son of Nun, HUSHA(#1954).   In two places, we see the letter UAU between the SHIN-AYIN at the end of the name. 

 

YAHUSHUA and YAHUSHA?  Both are used in Scripture, so are acceptable, and have the same meaning.

Found 2 times in the TaNaK:  "YAHUSHUA"

Found 216 times in the TaNaK:  "YAHUSHA"

 

   Concerning the specific number of uses of the spelling YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN (using 2 letter UAU’s), There are exactly two instances that refer to the successor of Mosheh, Yahusha.  The two uses of this 6-lettered spelling are found at Deut. 3:21 and Judg. 2:7.  In both of these books, this name was used with only one “UAU” in the following ratios:

 

Deuteronomy / Debarim:  7 to 1  (seven times, the spelling was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, and 1 time YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN).

 

Judges:  5 to 1  (five times, the spelling was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, and 1 time YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN).

 

Overall ratio:  216 to 2  (216 times, the spelling in the TaNaK was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, and twice it was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN).

 

 

                  יהושע

 יהו              The first part is not in question: YAHU

שע                  This requires our close attention; is the pronunciation  - SHUA?  Or is it simply SHA?

The root yaSHA means "to deliver"  -   ישע

Let's check out the correct Hebrew names of two prophets Isaiah and Elisha:

    ישעיהו       YESHAYAHU Strong’s #3470 – “Yah has saved.”

         ישע          YESHA            Strong’s #3468 – “Salvation, deliverance.”

          שע        Remove the   י   and we have – SHA

    אלישע      ELIYSHA       Strong’s #477    -  “El of deliverance.”

Therefore from the Hebrew we have     יהושע    = YAHUSHA

The ending “SHA” and “SHUA” mean the same.  

How is SHUA written in Hebrew and does it have a meaning?

 שוע               SHUWA   Strong’s #7768:  “Cry for help.”

 

אלישוע       ELIYSHUA  Strong’s no 474: “El of riches.”

To get to the pronunciation YAHUSHUA we would have to insert a ו between the ע   and the ש   and spell His Name in Hebrew:    יהושוע   -  this spelling uses two of the letter ו

“Yahushua” is seen twice out of 218 times in the TaNaK, so both “Yahushua” and “Yahusha” are acceptable transliterations.

 

YahuSHUA and YahuSHA  -  SHUA and SHA both contain the Hebrew root, yaSHA, meaning deliverance (salvation).

 

   Both spellings, Yahushua and Yahusha, are endorsed by the inspired texts.  Concerning the specific number of uses of the spelling Yahushua YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN (using 2 letter UAU’s), There are exactly two instances in the TaNaK, referring to the successor of Mosheh (Joshua in the KJV).  The two uses of this 6-lettered spelling are in fact found at Deut. 3:21 and Judg. 2:7.  Even in these books, both variations in spelling are found.  In these two books alone, this name was used with only one “UAU” in the following ratios:

 

Deuteronomy / Debarim:  7 to 1:  seven times, the spelling was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN (Yahusha), and 1 time YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN (Yahushua).

 

Judges:  5 to 1;  five times, the spelling was the 5-letterYOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN (Yahusha), and 1 time YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN (Yahushua).

 

Overall ratio:  216 to 2  (216 times, the spelling in the TaNaK was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-AYIN, and twice it was YOD-HAY-UAU-SHIN-UAU-AYIN).

 

   Since both are seen used in Scripture, then either is acceptable.  Both are equally correct, and have the same meaning;  however one of the two forms is the more widely used in the inspired texts, and I am only pointing out to everyone that they should take a look at the facts.   I feel that the more accurate would be the 5-lettered form used 216 times, but I have to accept that the spelling seen only twice is fine also.

 

   There is no reason to believe that the other 216 uses without the second UAU are scribal errors.  But, because the 216 uses of “YAHUSHA” are seen, versus the 2 uses of “YAHUSHUA”, we should make note of it, and accept both forms.

 

   A huge mistake to make is to think that the “vowel-pointing” of the 10^th century CE Masoretes is without flaw.  Anyone can make a blunder.  We also know they had agendas, and one is with the Name Yahuah.  Moreover, they were about 2300 years removed in

time from Mosheh, and many things they had to deal with were “best-guesses”.  We could not possibly know how William Shakespeare would pronounce certain words 400 years ago.

One spelling to examine closely is at ZecharYah 3.  The Hebrew word #3091 used in these texts is Yahusha (the KJV concordance numbers are imbedded to help with your further study):

 

Zec 3:1  “And he showed⁷²⁰⁰ me ⁽⁸⁵³⁾ Joshua³⁰⁹¹ the high¹⁴¹⁹ priest³⁵⁴⁸ standing⁵⁹⁷⁵ before⁶⁴⁴⁰ the angel⁴³⁹⁷ of the LORD,³⁰⁶⁸ and Satan⁷⁸⁵⁴ standing⁵⁹⁷⁵ at⁵⁹²¹ his right hand³²²⁵ to resist⁷⁸⁵³ him.”

 

   Translators have obviously modified the texts with words from a wide variety of other languages between the Hebrew and English, such as the term “angel” seen above (which is not English, but Greek).  The rendering “Joshua” is not very close to the better transliteration “Yahusha” either.  But they completely obliterated the Name “Yahuah” when they substituted the letters LORD.  This is where personal research into the Truth of the Name begins.  If they will lie about the Name of the One we serve, then they will lie about anything.  For certain, we must be “over-comers” to be found doing what our Mashiach expects of us until He comes. 

And there is much to overcome.

 

   If anyone can find any error in this study, please contact me with the proof  -  but please accept that the Greek or Latin forms have no bearing on the authenticity of Yahusha’s original, and only true Hebrew Name. 

 

“And there is no deliverance in anyone else, for there is no other Name under the heaven given among men by which we need to be saved.”  Acts 4:12

 

“Then shall those who fear Yahuah speak to one another, and Yahuah listen and hear, and a book of remembrance be written before Him, of those who fear Yahuah and those who think upon His Name.”  Mal 3:16

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Permalink Reply by Sean Terrell on September 18, 2011 at 3:42pm

The greek word for name in Acts 4:12 (the majority of the rest of the NT as well) is ὄνομα ónoma. It means: name; the manifestation or revelation of someone's character. It implies authority, character, rank, majesty, power,excellence, and everything that the name covers. Ever heard on those old cop shows "Stop, in the name of the law!" Or how about in the name of Caesar! Thus, the conlcusion is that yes, a persons name is what they are called, but in terms of spiritual terms, it means much more than that. In the two examples, it means authority.

 

Remember how the Jews would ask Jesus "By what authority are you doing these things?" Because he would always do things in his own name. Heal the sick, cast out demons, under his own authority. But when other's do it, they do it under his authority, which is why a non-believer can throw out his name all day in Hebrew or Aramaic or English and still find himself on the losing end. Because it is not about getting the letters correct.

 

Jesus said in John 17:26 "I made known to them your name..." yet Jesus ALWAYS referred to him as
"My Father" and not YHWH or JEHOVA. If you apply the correct definition of "name" then you see that Jesus came to make God's character known to the world, not simply what we should call him.

 

The conclusion must be made then that there is no other authority under heaven besides the person of Jesus Christ that can save us. Not that we must get his name correct, because if you think about it Jesus is eternal (Hebrews 13:8). He invented language. So his name is not bound by human language, it transcends it. It cannot be bottled up in it.

 

Letters are not holy. I could name myself Yeshua, Yahweh, Jehovah, Elohim, El Elyon, you name it...that would not make me one ounce of holy. God is holy. So when we say "Hallowed be thy name" in essence we are saying the entirety of God is holy. Everything that his name covers is holy. His person, his character, his attributes. God IS holy.

 

I hope you find this well and I hope this helps.

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 19, 2011 at 9:44pm

Thank you, Sean, I find it well and it helps - every answer helps ;)
I do understand what you try to tell me, that letters are nothing but mere letters, and that only the character and the authority or power connected to the being behind those letters make the change, in the world and for us Christians when we speak about God or Jesus.

But still I believe that there must be more IN the name itself, as otherwise non-Christians would not be saved by His name, before even knowing about His power and character and authority.
Even demons flee whenever they only hear the simple name Jesus/Jahushua etc.., so it is no more a mere name!
There must be a difference to other names, because other religions also use other names to call to their God.
You see, even now I use the same word "God". But our God is different from the other Gods of other beliefs. He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, etc..We know it now, but maybe an atheist might call upon our God in times of dispair without knowing HIm, or having denied HIM even before...
As it is sung in this video below very well, I AM (YHWH) means a lot!

And to top it all, in Revelation it is written, that He himself will reveal to us His new name which is still hidden...So still all about names, and they must have a meaning..
Well, as you can see, I am still not through with this, still searching....:-)

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Permalink Reply by Sean Terrell on September 20, 2011 at 10:49am

Read Acts 19:11-17. Tell me what you think in terms of what you said that demons flee when they hear the name Jesus.

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 20, 2011 at 12:43pm

I think, that priest and his sons were not new-born, without the Holy Spirit, and therefore had no authority or power to cast demons out - they just copied the method, and I am not sure whether their intensions of the heart were pleasing God, or if they believed in Christ at all. Yes, you are right, it is not all about the mere name, there must be also the heart intention and belief and hope behind it.

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Permalink Reply by Tammy_LIBAW on September 19, 2011 at 1:18pm

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Permalink Reply by Astrid on September 19, 2011 at 9:30pm

LOVE IT!!!
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thank you, Tammy!

 

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Permalink Reply by Tammy_LIBAW on September 20, 2011 at 12:45pm

quite welcome

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