MY OPINION: No, it is not a sin to be homosexual. It is a sin when you practice homosexuality. There are thorns in people's side & unfortunately, they have the desire for the same sex. My thorn is drugs & alcohol. If they aren't a Christian, the homosexual will hit hell wide open just as a liar, a fornicator or adulterer will. All sins - same finish line. However, when the homosexual turns to Christ, that doesn't necessarily mean his/her feelings are just going to turn. It will be a long hard battle daily. It will also be a lonely life unless the Lord does change that desire. There is an awesome gospel singer in the US who has fought this all of his life - Donnie McClurkin. He knows the cost of sin & accepted the gift of Christ but life is still an ongoing battle to keep his desires as the Lord desires.
Let me revise. Any sin leads to hell regardless the sin. They are no different. They're punishment is the same as anyone else's punishment that don't turn to Christ.
May I ask, is this a new trend in South Africa? Is there much of it in the churches? Here in the U.S. it has pretty much been decided and even protected by law. As far as the preachers go, either you are a minister of righteousness and stand on the Word or you are a false prophet and compromise to keep church membership. Like you said, the Word is clear. There isn't too much confusion now in 2012. Most have taken a side on this issue and unfortunately here, there is a tremendous amount of compromise. I think the Holy Spirit plays a role in the creation of a new creature "psyche" included whatever that is. You said it "God can heal you". AMEN
May God Bless all you do for Him.
Here are excerpts from Wikipedia articles about same-sex marriage and gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgendered (LBGT) rights in South Africa.
"South Africa's post-apartheid constitution was the first in the world to outlaw discrimination based on sexual orientation, and on 1 December 2006 South Africa became the fifth country in the world, and the first in Africa, to legalise same-sex marriage."
"Locally produced television programmes also focus on gay life. The locally produced soap opera Egoli featured a long term gay relationship."
"South Africa, due to its reputation as Africa's most gay-friendly destination, attracts thousands of LGBT tourists annually. The official South African Tourism site offers in depth travel tips for the gay traveller. Gay-friendly establishments are situated throughout South Africa and may be found on various gay travel websites."
Homosexuality violates the God's covenant between a husband and wife.
The Covenant of Marriage
Since God is our Creator it only makes sense that to live happy, fulfilling, and contented lives we must follow His instruction. One of the most obvious problems in the lives of many is broken marriages. Our Creator instituted marriage and those who enter into marriage with little respect for God and His word can not expect anything but problems. Marriage, to the majority of people, is something simply done out of convenience without a sense of obligation and responsibility before God. For those same people divorce is a convenience. Many get married with the selfish attitude that says, "I'll get married, try it for a while and if it doesn't work, if I don't like it, I'll get a divorce." Yet, God views marriage to be a covenant relationship.
A covenant is an agreement that involves promises and commitments. The Bible describes the marriage as a spiritual covenant that is just as binding, and just as sacred, as the covenant that God has made with His people. In fact, we find that when God describes the relationship between Himself and His people He speaks of the husband wife relationship (cf. Jer. 31:31-32). In the New Testament the blessed relationship between Christ and the church is described by the covenant relationship of the husband and the wife (Eph. 5:22-ff). Marriage is a holy union before God.
Malachi prophesied in a time of general apostasy and unfaithfulness. The people's apostasy was characterized by an atmosphere of general covenant breaking. In Malachi's time divorce was a real problem and became a central issue in all of the sins of the people. Thus God declared, "I hate divorce" (Mal. 2:16). There is more to divorce that just incompatibility, or "I just don't love him/her anymore." It is something so serious that it involves breaking a covenant that is just as binding and sacred as a covenant that God makes with His people.
A fact that many fail to realize is though it is a man and a woman that make the commitment to be married, they are joined in that commitment, bound in that covenant relationship, by God. Our Creator instituted marriage from the beginning and only He has the authority to bind, or say what does and does not break that covenant. Jesus declared, "..What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate" (Matt. 19:6). A marriage covenant involves more than an individual, their spouse, and the law of the land; it involves God and the covenant that He has bound when a man and woman vow their commitment before Him. The only One who has the authority to declare what is a legitimate reason to break that covenant is the one who bound it, and that is God.
Some people are quite mistaken here. God's governing laws is NOT THE SAME as human governing laws. Just because South African government have approved it does not mean that God did approved it. Am not a preacher for Human government, I preach the Word of God. There is no twisting of the word that can change what God have already said in His Word.
Like I pointed out in my article here, I have faced this question many times and I need to point out what God said concerning it in His Word, its not my law or my judgement.
For me, whenever an issue comes up, we go back to the Word of God to see what He said concerning that issue, and whatever God said is final for me.
I think you must have misunderstood what some have said here. There is no one that has responded to this discussion that stands for gay rights. We all agree that it is a sin - no ifs, ands or buts. They were just saying that in Africa, it was accepted. He wasn't saying that with God it was accepted.
Amen and Amen that's the way to clear up an issue in the Chruch and family
I do not believe it is a sin at all. Despite popular belief, it is not a choice, and yes you are born that way. You have to look at the culture and context of when the bible was written. The people of this time were in a social development infancy. They didn't have the luxury of scientific methods or reasoning. So anything that was odd or different was considered evil, a sin, or an abomination.
Brother, you know I'm going to have to come back on you. You can't dispute what the Word says regardless of how hard people want to remove pages from it. We were ALL born Sinners with absolutely no choice on how we were born. No one is good, no not one. We are All sinners, even the heterosexuals. It's our choice if we turn from that sin or continue to live how we were born. It's their choice. Do they continue to live in that sin or do they choose to leave as the Lord commands? Yes, it is a choice. None of us are created to force a decision on us. He gives us freewill to choose whether to remain in sin or walk with Him. If you continue to walk as a liar, thief, adulterer, fornicator, sexually immoral, murderer, quick-tempered, not forgiving others, & yes homosexual, you will bow before the judgment seat. The Lord is going to judge those & say, I knew you not. Why would He call it a sin & lie to us? Why would He play such a joke on anyone? I feel they have those desires but I think those desires need to be brought under the blood for redemption of their sin. I'm not saying that would turn that desire but they can choose to live for the Lord which means they will no longer live that lifestyle. If the word is a lie, what truth do we hold to? Our conscious? That will lead us astray any day of the week & send us straight to hell.
I'm sure you knew this conversation would pop up again as it always does. It always goes through its cycle. It will die out & in about 6 months someone else will post it. I always try to be sensitive to you Always. But, you know I have to call it for what it is as well - Sin. Luv u
i figured you would jump on me for this one, Tammy. :) i respectively disagree. i do not believe that the Bible is the unaltered word of God. im not a fundamentalist. A fact that makes me a bit unpopular on this site, and one of the reasons i left for so long. I believe God created our differences to force us to learn and adapt to live in peace on this crazy planet. I believe we are judged on the way we treat those different from ourselves. God gave us a world to discover, study, and learn from. He doesn't want us to be cattle, and not know our world. It's the differences between us, and the learning shared between different people that make this world so great. I truly believe we are tested daily on the ability to live in peace and harmony with those who may not share the same beliefs and lifestyles.