I think we could all agree that God is omnipotent, omnipresent & omniscient. If He wanted to change His mind, He certainly could. But, does He? Being all-knowing means He knows everything - past present future - so why would He need to change His mind? He knows what is, what was, & what is to be. He knew us before we were in the womb. Before I formed you in the womb I knew you; Before you were born I sanctified you; I ordained you a prophet to the nations. Jeremiah 1:5
In the book of Exodus we read the testimony of the Israelites waiting impatiently on Moses to come down from the mountain. They melted all of their gold down & made a calf to worship. Needless to say, it angered the Lord. After all He had done for them to get them to this point, He was done. He was going to wash His hands clean of this generation. Moses intervened for them & God chose to answer Moses' prayer. So, did He change His mind?
In the garden of Eden God created the perfect world with one stipulation - don't eat from the tree of knowledge . Of course they faltered. After this happened, men only became more & more evil. The Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of His heart was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and it grieved Him to his heart. Genesis 6:5-6. Here, the Lord "grieved" that He had made man. Does that mean that He made a mistake by making man? He knew man was going to sin, right? He's God.
There are several other examples I'm sure I'll post later but I think this is a good start for this discussion.
I believe God is the same yesterday, today & forever & He changes not. But, how do we get past the above Scripture that appears to be saying He did change His mind when someone interceded? How can we explain these Scriptures? Also, He seemed to regret His decisions on several occasions.
hello all, i was just thinking on this very topic a few days ago. I was thinking about when god was grieved he had made man, and i thought so what is this does mean God made a mistake? God of course knew well before hand he wuld be grieved ...right? if not then god does not know all. God had made a mistake in his own opinion ,but by that mistake he knew he would have to make in order to establish his Christ! in other words you got to break a few eggs to make an omelet! Because God was grieved does not mean he is not all knowing or all powerful it means he has emotions and opinions about himself,by which none of us can judge him on! who can tell him he doesnt know what he is doing ? Not any of us,thats for sure,but you can try if you want! So my point is if God feels he had made a mistake thats his business,and none of ours. by all rights he didnt have to spare the eight.
im not firm in this position so i am very open to other postions.
Thanks. Food for thought for sure Jason.
Being all-knowing, He knows who is going to hell & who isn't before they were in the womb correct?
Jonah 3:1-10 Now the word of the LORD came to Jonah the second time, saying, 2 “Arise, go to Nineveh, that great city, and preach to it the message that I tell you.” 3 So Jonah arose and went to Nineveh, according to the word of the LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceedingly great city, a three-day journey in extent. 4 And Jonah began to enter the city on the first day’s walk. Then he cried out and said, “Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown!” So the people of Nineveh believed God, proclaimed a fast, and put on sackcloth, from the greatest to the least of them. 6 Then word came to the king of Nineveh; and he arose from his throne and laid aside his robe, covered himself with sackcloth and sat in ashes. 7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published throughout Nineveh by the decree of the king and his nobles, saying,
Let neither man nor beast, herd nor flock, taste anything; do not let them eat, or drink water. 8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily to God; yes, let every one turn from his evil way and from the violence that is in his hands. 9 Who can tell if God will turn and relent, and turn away from His fierce anger, so that we may not perish?
10 Then God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God relented from the disaster that He had said He would bring upon them, and He did not do it.
In the story of Jonah God even gave specific details. He was going to destroy Nineveh in 40 days but they turned to Him so He changed his mind. But isn't this what He tells all sinners? If we don't repent, we will all die & when we turn to Him, that is no longer our destination? Does that mean the Lord changed His mind or does it mean the Lord has a perfect will & a permissive will? The way I've always believed is that God has an awesome blessing in His hands just waiting to pour it out on you. The next step is yours. If you pray, walk in His way & have the faith, He releases that blessing but if you lean on your own understanding, you are going to miss out. I'm not talking about monetary blessing here but sometimes it does mean monetary things. As far as money goes, He will bless whatever you trust Him with.
I read this today & found it interesting as well:
If God is not going to manipulate us, if He is going to offer us the opportunity to express our freewill, then He is at the mercy of that freewill. He can say to us “I would like you to donate a certain sum of money for missionary work” but if we choose to ignore that ‘small still voice’ then God will get someone else to supply that need. Maybe you were His first choice but your own inaction had led God to find someone else.
Do you ever wonder how many times God had a task for you and you didn’t listen carefully? Do you ever think of lost opportunities to help someone find the Lord? Have you ever thought that maybe you should speak to someone about Jesus and then failed to do so, only to find out later that someone else led that person to the Lord?
God must change His mind because He is dealing with self-centred mortals who often get so wrapped up in their own petty problems that they neglect to listen to God. Because of our inability to be led, God must keep on finding alternatives to our lack of action.
God knows us individually and will use us to the extent of our capabilities. We need to exercise ourfreewill so that we can be vessels which God uses.
I feel that God nudges us to do what God wants us to do. When we don't do what HE wants us to do HE already has someone else in mind to do what HE wanted us to do. God is all knowing. God doesn't make mistakes. If he made mistakes the bible would be full of them. Then the bible would not be a hand book to live by. I also feel that God never changes HIS mind about anything. Like making mistakes, if God changed HIS mind then in the bible it would have things that went wrong. So God couldn't change HIS mind. Its like the bible says before a word is on our lips HE already knows. So does God change HIS mind?
Thank you Greg. I always enjoy your input